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There is no real need for circumcision nowadays. The only time that this should take place is when there is a proven case of phimosis and all other treatments have been tried.
I'm pleased to read that you can reason for yourself that routine circumcision is not right. I'm very glad that my parents have left me intact. It was not untill I was about 4 years old that I first was able to expose some of the glans. I was born with undescended testicles but the left came down before I was one year old. The right did not descend untill I was about 12-13. At the time I used to live in the Netherlands. Twice a year we were seen by a doctor who came to the schools in the area. During one of these visits I overheard the female doctor telling my mom that there only seemed to be one testicle. I overheard it as being referred to being one ball only. Being about six at the time, I was under the impression that besides te glans being exposed while the foreskin was retracted I thought that there would be another ball exposed. Based upon this reasoning, I forced the foreskin back very agrasively and ended up tearing the remainder of the unexposed glans away from the foreskin. There was a lot of pain and a fair amount of blood involved. I thought that I had done something that I was not supposed to have done. To make things worse, I had done this while going to the bathroom at school. From that day on I did not retract the foreskin for several months. I was afraid that if I did, my glans would fall off.
I feel that parents should inform their children about their bodies as early as possible. My wife and I have raised two sons who we decided to leave intact. My wife being Canadian born had not really seen an uncircumcised penis, before she saw mine. When my mother in law brought up the discussion of having our first son circumcised, my wife explained that there was no need to do so. As a result both boys are intact. The only way to be if there is no medical condition of phimosis.

I am  American born woman and I have to say, you should never be jealous over a circumcised penis. The majority of my serious relationships have been with uncircumcised men. I personally see a penis that has been circumcised as a penis that has been mutilated.
Name 1 man in history who was born circumcised? God made the penis with skin covering the glands to protect it. people back in the day only did circumcisions for religious reasons and more importantly because they did not have hot and cold running water and the ability to wash there genitials as should be. How far the world has come ! :)  Now as from a woman's point of view,  from the very first time that I was with a man, he was intact. I have been fortunate enough to date  men who originated from Europe, where foreskin is not an issue. It just is.
Now in my life,I have seen a couple circumcised penis in person and I have to say, I do not like them. I find them unattractive. Have no worries, you will find a woman who truly loves your penis as is.. She will love the way it looks, she will love the way it feels...Foreskin is awesome.
I know a lot of American people make terrible wise cracks and say mean things. This is only because they know nothing about it personally and want to fit in with everyone else.They hear all kinds of stories: that it smalls bad, looks like and ant eater, looks like a turtleneck sweater, it spreads HIV quicker, and so on.. This stuf is just society's ignorance. Do not let that bother you.
I am in my early 40's now,married for 4 years, with a 19 year old son and no, my son is not circumcised and either is my husband. I can tell you that what I am saying to you probably does not make you feel better, but know that you are not alone. My son recently asked me why I chose to leave him intact, and I said because it is suppose to be that way. I said if he did not like his penis intact he could get it circumcised himself, he told me no.   However, my husband is like you, he is ashamed of his foreskin. Even around me. He hides it. He insists that he is circumcised and "It only looks that way when my penis is soft, when it is erect it looks different", he says. He will not let me see him nude unless he pushes his foreskin back. I have said to him, why do you do that? You know I love it when it is down..He gets upset and says "Because it is my penis". So many times I have told him that it is suppose to be that way. My husband actually will fight with me over it. I have told him, he should be proud of his body.That just because he pushes the skin back it does not make him a circumcised man.
Like you, he was one of the guys who were scarred by people being mean.  So please understand you are beautiful the way you are and that is how you were created to be. Btw,  I live in Europe now where foreskin is the norm and it is truly beautiful! I only wish my husband would love it too.I can tell you as a woman who loves her man intact and whom is unhappily married to a man who rejects his foreskin, it causes trouble in the relationship.. Give your penis a chance to be loved   the way it should be. :)
Also, as  long as you have good hygiene, oral sex is not a problem. Quite awesome actually.. Keep smiling and have a great day~~ 

I am  American born women and I have to say, you should never be jealous over a circumcised penis. The majority of my serious relationships have been with uncircumcised men. I personally see a penis that has been circumcised as a penis that has been mutilated.
Name 1 man in history who was born circumcised? God made the penis with skin covering the glands to protect it. people back in the day only did circumcisions for religious reasons and more importantly because they did not have hot and cold running water and the ability to wash there genitials as should be. How far the world has come ! :)  Now as from a woman's point of view,  from the very first time that I was with a man, he was intact. I have been fortunate enough to date  men who originated from Europe, where foreskin is not an issue. It just is.
Now in my life,I have seen a couple circumcised penis in person and I have to say, I do not like them. I find them unattractive. Have no worries, you will find a woman who truly loves your penis as is.. She will love the way it looks, she will love the way it feels...Foreskin is awesome.
I know a lot of American people make terrible wise cracks and say mean things. This is only because they know nothing about it personally and want to fit in with everyone else.They hear all kinds of stories: that it smalls bad, looks like and ant eater, looks like a turtleneck sweater, it spreads HIV quicker, and so on.. This stuf is just society's ignorance. Do not let that bother you.
I am in my early 40's now,married for 4 years, with a 19 year old son and no, my son is not circumcised and either is my husband. I can tell you that what I am saying to you probably does not make you feel better, but know that you are not alone. My son recently asked me why I chose to leave him intact, and I said because it is suppose to be that way. I said if he did not like his penis intact he could get it circumcised himself, he told me no.   However, my husband is like you, he is ashamed of his foreskin. Even around me. He hides it. He insists that he is circumcised and "It only looks that way when my penis is soft, when it is erect it looks different", he says. He will not let me see him nude unless he pushes his foreskin back. I have said to him, why do you do that? You know I love it when it is down..He gets upset and says "Because it is my penis". So many times I have told him that it is suppose to be that way. My husband actually will fight with me over it. I have told him, he should be proud of his body.That just because he pushes the skin back it does not make him a circumcised man.
Like you, he was one of the guys who were scarred by people being mean.  So please understand you are beautiful the way you are and that is how you were created to be. Btw,  I live in Europe now where foreskin is the norm and it is truly beautiful! I only wish my husband would love it too.I can tell you as a woman who loves her man intact and whom is unhappily married to a man who rejects his foreskin, it causes trouble in the relationship.. Give your penis a chance to be loved   the way it should be. :)
Also, as  long as you have good hygiene, oral sex is not a problem. Quite awesome actually.. Keep smiling and have a great day~~ :)

From your statment I would assume that you have been circumcised later in life for you to make a comparison between the sensation of your hand touching the glans directly without the foreskin being in the way.
I myself am perfectly happy with my uncircumcised status. I love the fact that I can enjoy my foreskin during sexual play. Lately my wife and I have not been able to do this due to the fact that I have had a catheter in for the last 3 years due to a urological problem.
Even with this problem I'm glad that I do have my foreskin. I have had some chaving from the catheter being in contact with the catheter. I can just immagine how badly irritated the meatus of the glans would be had I been circumcised. I feel that the foreskin protects the urinary meatus and glans.
I also have enjoyed playing with my foreskin as a child and during my teenage years. Getting circumcised now, I would know that I miss my foreskin very much and that I will regret the decission if I was to proceed with this procedure. I refuse to call it surgery since a surgery is performed to enhance life and not to alter it.
Uncircumcised and happy.
 
Ron

@Awefawfeffwea, Are you aware that it is just as easy to stimulate the glans of a penis that still has an intact foreskin?

The foreskin moves back and forth, which serves many positive features. One of those features is that it is very easy to reveal the glans. Someone who enjoys the sensation of a hand rubbing directly on the glans can surely enjoy that sensation, without requiring their foreskin be cut off first.

The foreskin does provide a sensual, pleasurable way to stimulate the glans, though, for those who prefer to incorporate the foreskin into the play... which I would assume is the case of most men who currently still have a functional foreskin.

I'm not saying you shouldn't appreciate the sensations that you currently enjoy, aewfawfeffwea, but your suggestion that having part of the penis removed makes it feel better in some way is logic that I don't follow. As far as I can tell, removing the foreskin simply takes away the option to stimulate yourself in other ways, ways that DO incorporate the foreskin.

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

I am uncut myself,I never felt self concsious about it  I guess I thought being uncut was the norm.An ex-GF of mine who was also a RN was surprised when she realized i was uncut.When I became a nudist I noticed i was usually about the only guy around who was uncut.

Hi,
 
As i have stated I came to Canada in 1981 after having grown up in the Netherlands for the first 17 years. While I had been used to most males in the Netherlands not being circumcised, it was a change being one of the only uncircumcised guys in the Canadian town of Grande Cache, Alberta that we moved to.
I sort of had to chuckle to your referrence of someone referring to un uncircumcised penis as a dog dick. I have heared numerous referrences, however only a few come to my mind; Ant eater, Skin Bob and as you quoted dog dick. I realized that this referrence was used out of ignorance.
One of the things that they should realize is that male animals also enjoy not being circumcised and that the circumcised crowd has just been brainwashed into believing that their penis handicap is normal.
After my wife and I became serious in our relationship towards the end of our engagement, I brought up the subject that I was uncircumcised and asked her if she'd preferred to have me circumcised. To my great relief she said no. Also when we had two boys, one our oldest and the other being adopted, we chose not to have our sons circumcised. There was enough questioning from my mother in law and some of my wife's relatives. I never had to speak up since my wife explained to them that circumcision was an unneeded and harmful procedure. She would also never refer to it as a surgical procedure. Most doctors in the US and Canada break their oath, (First do no harm). When my mother in law spoke to me about having our first son circumcised, I responded by saying that I was not circumcised and was peeing just fine. The subject was never brought up again.
I feel sorry for males who were circumcised at birth, most have been brainwashed into the idea that circumcision is a normal required procedure. Not having known the difference how can they know. On the other hand, myself still being uncircumcised, how can I know what being circumcised is like. The answer is I don't, however I would miss the great enjoyment that my foreskin provides me with. I also know of the experience of my younger brother, as well as my youngest nephew. Both boys were very unhappy shortly after their circumcisions. Both boys were circumcised as the result of so called phymosis. Both boys were about 6 at the time. We know that in some males the foreskin does not separated from the glans untill they reach their teen years. The so called philosophy that the medical community uses is that it is much easier on a young boy to go through this procedure when they are younger. Supposedly it is much harder on a teenage male. This is complete nonsence. It is much easier to explain a medical procedure to an older child. Leaving the procedure till the teenage years also gives the owner of the penis an imput into altering the penis. We can explain the different health reasons as to why circumcision should take place.
In the case of a young boy, most will not fully understand why circumcision has to take place. All of them go in with some fear knowing that their body will be altered. Most of them can not comprehend why this has to happen. Most will reason that their penis is used for urination and that it works fine as far as they know. A teenage male can be informed of the different reasons as to why the glans has to be exposed. Being it for reasons of hygiene and sexual purpose.
When it comes to sircumcision there still is a lot of ignorance. I thank God and my parents that I was left intact.

Wow you clearly don't know what you are talking about. If you do some unbiased research you'll find that std's are no more contractable either way. Also, you clearly are prejudice against uncircumcised penises and are fixated that there is something wrong with the natural physiology of a man. Perhaps you think circumcised is normal because that is what you society has taught you. That doesn't mean that circumcised is better.

Actually despite the claims there is only a <1% chance of someone being uncircumcised being able to contact an std compared to someone who is.

well, I don't know exactly what you mean about the opening being off
to the side, but there is nothing wrong with a penis that has a foreskin
that covers the head of the penis even when hard. I don't know if he is
retractable or not, but if so, you can always pull the skin back to see
the head if you wish.

As for the length of his penis, that is an
entirely unrelated issue.

I think at some point though, you just
have to realize that its a part of his body, and either you accept that
body as a whole or you don't.

If a guy was dating you and felt the
aesthetics of your vulva were unappealing to him... how would you feel?
What would you want a man in that position to say? Maybe you can let
your instincts guide you in that way.

Remember, the foreskin is a
healthy, normal and sensitive body part.. just like your labia and
clitoral hood. Unless you would want those parts cut off of you, maybe
you should reconsider whether you think that should be cut off of a
male.

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

@Sincere

It really depends on your age.. If you're 18 or under, that is probably alright. It will likely begin to stretch more on its own.  If youre around 18 or older, I would definitely recommend you begin stretching it. Especially if it is too tight to retract when not-erect.

The foreskin is built to "become" retractable, so its nothing too uncommon. At birth the foreskin is not retractable, it is still attached to the head of the penis (the same way fingernails are attached to your fingers).

To stretch it, what you want to do is begin spending a few minutes each day pulling the foreskin back as far as it will comfortably go. In the shower is a good time to practice this. You could also do it after each time you pee, or when you're masturbating.

Don't pull it back too hard, or you may make things worse. Be patient.

you should notice improvement in a week or two, and be completely retractable within a few months tops. If progress is going slow, you could talk to your doctor about acquiring a steroid cream, called 0.05% betamethasone. You simply apply that directly before doing the stretching technique. That will help speed things up.. but you really don't need it in most cases..

It could be that you have some scarring if your family members were taught to pull back your foreskin forcibly in infancy before the foreskin was ready... that could be problematic, but the only way to know if that is the case would be to talk to your doctor. Chances are it will probably be fine, and it would be worth trying to GENTLY stretch the opening.

Unless you have pain or infection or a problem of some kind, you don't NEED to be retractable. I think it is ideal, though.

Hope that helps. :)

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada

my main squeeze is uncircumsized, and he is the first man I have encountered that way.
I find it limiting to what this sexual goddess likes to do compared to my favorite the circumsized male.
Also it doesn't look like the one is the picture. It looks like half of it is missing? Also the fowl odor is killing all my sexual feeling. Not a pretty sight. Help.

God was invented by men in part to subjugate women.  God is a concept we can do without.  I'm a woman and I have preferences.  I make decisions for myself thank you.  Uncircumsized cocks might as well be dog cocks to me.  They're also in the majority, so I don't think they are being discriminated against nor do they need any protection.  Circumsized cocks are a huge turn on.  I think we should alter the human genome to produce males with circumsized cocks from birth.  Long live the circumsized cock.

Hi,
 
I'm sorry to hear that you went through this butchery. I'm lucky that I had parents who did not go for this. In other replies on here, I mentioned that my younger brother was circumcised at about the age of 6 per advice from the family doctor in the Netherlands at the time. I remember that the procedure for him must have been very painful. I took several weeks before he walked normal again. He conplained about the glans getting irritated from rubbing agains clothing. He was not happy with the outcome at all. To me he looked mutilated.
Several years later my youngest nephew went through the same thing. I remember this little guy tell my mom, grandma they wrecked my penis.
Getting married to a Canadian wife, I brought up to subject of not being circumcised myself and once the relationship was going to lead to marriage, I asked her if she wanted me circumcised. To my relief the answer was no. Both my wife and I are Christians, so she did not see me nude untill the evening of our wedding. She had never had sex with anyone, however I was not that lucky as I was sexually abused by a strainger at the age of about 8. The incident took place at a swimming pool dressing room. The first night as a married couple was just a night of getting used to each other. As a young boy, I got in to the habbit of sleeping nude. I was very relieved when my wife did not object to this. Slowly we got more free to enjoy each other's body. My wife was very interested with the way my penis was as she had only seen some of her circumcised nephews. There is a 18 year age difference between her and her youngest sister. We both learned about each other at a slow pace.
When we were expecting our first child, my wife immediately told me that she did not want to have our child circumcised if it turned out to be a boy. We were blessed with a boy as our first born. I remember my dear mother in law asking me how she should bath our son, pointing at his penis. I told her that no special care was needed. She meant well and asked if it should not be cleaned under the foreskin. I told her that my parents did not do that to me and I was able to pee just fine. She sort of embarrased twisted my ear. Later on during supper she brought up the subject of circumcision. I did not have to say anything as my wife told her mom that we would not do this. About 10 months after the birth of our son we adopted a boy who was just 3 days old when we got him. His birth mom asked if we wanted him circumcised, and we of course told her no.
I appreciate your mention about your experience and your desire of having been left natural. I also agree that any penis is only as clean as it's owner. I at an early age was told how to clean my penis. I was not able to retract the foreskin untill I was about 4 years old. Prior to being able to do this, I was told to just clean the end of the foreskin. First being able to retract my foreskin at that age had me very proud and making sure that I cleaned it every time I had a bath or shower. Not only did I take pride in the fact that I could do this now, but I also enjoyed the way that it felt.
If adults would only leave their children's genitals intact, we would have far less problems in the world.
Having grown up in the Netherlands with the majority of males being natural, I only knew of a Jewish class mate of mine and my own brother who were circumcised. I remember only a few Dutch boys referring to them as Jew dicks. Most of the other boys did not seem to view them any different. I really don't understand the reasoning and mentality in Canada and the US. being an adult working as a heavy duty mechanic shop foreman, I had an occasion where my apprentice and I had to do some field work to get equipement up and running again. Being out in the field I just went behind our service truck to urinate. Of course my apprentice stepped over to get some tools out of the truck. Given the situation he was given a full view, once back at the shop he had to tell one of his friends that I had an anteater.
Having grown up in Europe, living in the Netherlands but having spent a lot of time in Denmark, Finnland, Sweden, and Norway, I did not see the kind of almost childish behaviour that I have seen in Canada. With a Muslim population increasing in Europe, I have heard from relatives and friends that the circumcision view is changing. It is sad that a lot of women seem to be brainwashed on the idea of the foreskin being dirty. As I have stated in other posts, how do they view their own sexual orgains? The female genitalia also has creases and internal areas that can harbor dirt and smells. With the sexual organs being partialy internal would be dirty under the same philosophy. Even without washing the penis daily, little dirt accumilates. Recently I spent a week in hospital, in a situation where I could not clean my penis daily, it did not seem to create a big problem. All male animals also have a sheet or foreskin on their penis. They don't seem to have a lot off problems, not cleaing it every day. Dogs both males and females will lick their genitals in an attempt to clean themselves. If even dogs can do this, what gives some men and women an excuse to not keep themselves clean?
As for some of the females who have made ignorant remarks, would they really end a good relationship with a male who provides their needs, when they check under the hood and find a sock on his spark plug? I have seen some several tonne women who most likely can start their own cream chease factories. Should we as males insist that girls have their genitals trimmed just based on a few fat women who don't even respect their own bodies?
I have enough pride to keep my body clean. During my recent hospital stay due to bilateral pneumonia, found the strength to clean my self up or asked the nursing staff for help in doing so. I could not handle going two days withouht washing myself.
If a natural male has a problem with a smelly penis, on can conlude that the rest of the body hygiene is lacking as well. The same goes for women who don't respect themselves enough to keep themselves clean. Just like brusing once teeth cleanliness is learned behaviour.
As for some of the women stating that they hate some of us so called "Dog Cocks", I can almost fully ensure you that once you go into alder generations of your famil tree, there is at least a few uncircumcised males in there.
For those who are not God hating feminists, one has to accept the fact that Adam the first male was uncircumcised, and so were their sons. God created men in His own immage. Adam was uncircumcised, does that mean that God is too? Jesus Christ was circumcised as He was living under the covenant made with God. This covenant stated that all Jewish males had to be circumcised.
I realize that most feminist do not exept that there is a God. Most feminist most likely wish they they had a penis. The question is still the same:"Natural or circumcised."
 
The proud owner of a NATURAL/UNCIRCUMCISED PENIS!!!
Ron

I would like to foremost thank you for leaving that reply. It actually is not easy at all for a lot of men to consider whether their penis ISN'T perfect or ideal - let alone talk openly about it.

I have to agree with you about how the real problem is that it is done on individual's who cannot say no... often with absolutely unjustified reasoning.

I appreciate your comments regarding hygiene, as an intact male it continually baffles me how some fail to realize that it takes 2 seconds and 2 fingers to pull back a foreskin. And who DOESN'T touch their penis in the shower? I bet a lot of men spend most of the time in the shower "cleaning" their penis. :p Let us also not forget that smegma also develops around the labia and clitoral hood of a girl - and it takes even longer to clean those folds of skin. I think it is sexist to think a woman can clean her genitals, but a man can't pull a foreskin back in the shower.

I really cannot tell you how sad I am to hear about your memories of circumcision. Having seen videos of it on Youtube, I can't bear the thought of a human being suffering that pain even if they DON'T remember it. Studies do show that circumcised infants do remember on some level, even over a month later though.

Lastly, I wanted to comment on your discussion regarding looks. Now, if someone wanted to get circumcised themselves, as an informed adult, because they preferred how it looked, that would be their choice, and I would not stop them if they knew the risks and losses they would incur. BUT, I also think its worth mentioning that when a foreskin is pulled back, it also looks tight and "gives off its full pressure"...

I also wanted to mention that some people don't see a circumcised penis as being more attractive. some feel that it looks.. barren. Missing something... which, of course it is, but to them it physically looks that way.. and I know some women who understand what is lost have expressed that seeing a circumcised penis, seeing the scar and lack of mobile skin reminds them of what actually HAPPENED to them, and this can make them feel sad and depressed for the loss of their men. I don't claim this to be the majority opinion, especially in America, but I thought it was worth mentioning that the view of Beauty on this topic is quite varied - some specifically find beauty in the foreskin itself, perhaps the way that I find the intricate folds and details so beautiful about a woman's labia or clitoral hood.

Thanks again for the comment. I also think the forum moderators are great for hosting this discussion.

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24 - M - Critical Relativist and Feminist (Equalist) - Canada