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This is my last post here. As a feminist who wears makeup and who is not adverse to the odd casual encounter I was thrilled when I stumbled across this site championed by two of the most genuine women on the net.
But I have got more and more disillusioned by certain male members not understanding that they are not on a porn site advocating just for example, that unrequested exhibitionism (personally I have no problem with the male or female form, but those who do not want to have a right not to see your equipment; this is not like the gallery where it is personal choice to look) or in one case suggesting that child abuse is acceptable in what rightly or wrongly we call the third world. Fortunately the latter was quickly shot down by another member,
I also think there is a grave need for Betty and Carlin to do some work on oral skills. By that I do not mean the obvious but how men should communicate with women.
Dr Betty, Carlin and most of the others involved I leave you with sadness.
Farewell. xx

thank you
Thank you, Carlin. I have not posted any pictures because of these issues. I loved the fact that woman could share and show other women that no pussy is ugly or more beautiful, just different, but after reading so many comments left on other peoples submissions, I decided I did not want to become the object of some mans masturbation session, and for free to boot :)
I've always enjoyed reading and hearing from men on this board, but it did seem that many were here for the wrong reason and I'm glad to see we're back on track with the original idea of why this board exist.
Eleni
Fab
Dear Carlin,
An incredibly difficult set of judgements to make. There aren't nearly enough safe spaces for women to discuss feminism and sexuality and even fewer spaces where men can do the same in solidarity with women. I've never much liked separatism but certainly see how essential it's been to prevent an almost inevitable slide back to the status quo of power-relations. From that perspective, I think you and Betty are extremely brave to keep pioneering pan-sexual exposure in the face of such practically problematic perceptions. The more I think about it the more impressed I am with what you're attempting and all the difficulties it entails; for what it's worth, this man is very grateful to have the opportunity to participate.
somewhat awestruck,
best wishes,
Chu
my thoughts
I feel like I'm throwing a house party and people are crashing. Now, I can either station security at the front door and weed out the crowd or I can eject people as problems arise.
Until I can beef up the screening process, you can always report a user to me directly by using our "contact us" email address with the offending person's username. That goes directly to me and I read every email personally. Please don't hesitate. And if you want me to delete any comments on your pics or posts in reply to yours let me know.
This community is first and foremost a place for women to share, discuss, debate, etc all the issues that we face because of our gender in a supportive environment. It is also a place for us to be open about our sexuality BECAUSE WE CAN'T ANYWHERE ELSE. I feel like we need the Pink Ladies to police this forum.
However, we are inclusive and that means that men can join the party but you must all know that this isn't about you at all. You have a million other sites to hit to get your rocks off and objectify women. If you want to cat call and play dominance games then go to adultfriendfinder or playboy.com and pay for the privilege.
New Rules: Any person sexually harassing, making comments in bad taste, propositioning, talking about how they want to fuck our pussies, or being just plain lame will be barred from this forum forever if I get 1 complaint.
So if you have been assaulted by piggery on this board please send me the username of the offending individual and I will start banning people.
I've been running this board for over 5 years and I've never had the problems I'm having here. If pictures of female genitalia and frank sexual discussions are too much for you to handle then get the FUCK OFF OUR BOARD.
"most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong" Ted Nelson
Similar reservations
Dear Ms Moonlight,
I too have been posting less frequently and looking in from the sidelines for similar reasons. It's not that Betty's and Carlin's posts are not interesting, it's that so many replies to their comments and posts (and some of mine) are so often sexist and reactionary that one tires of making the same critical points over and over again.
Clearly there are 1000s of sites set up to meet the market for on-line masturbation and sex-chat and it seems a great shame that this site might become yet another when the topics covered are so serious. Sadly, the appetite for expressing extreme preferences for various body shapes continues unabated and personal comments seem to dominate most threads.
I look forward to B & C's editorial re-vamp concerning comments and moderation with huge interest.
Best wishes
Chu
I have no wish to get into a
I have no wish to get into a debate in
cyberspace but I think I need to make myself clear.
Firstly in my avatar I am wearing what I consider to
be a pretty bra. Secondly, nowhere have I actually complained about
"pictures" I have complained about male attitudes to women, people
boasting about unrequested exhibitionism and language towards women.
Maybe I should have stayed away after all?
I just found this site and
I just found this site and it has made me think about women's lib (i know old term, but you know what I mean) and its great ... it has also made me think about the same for men ... and how it is also needed ... to be open and celebrate men ...
The farewell poster is funny in that they complain about pictures yet their pic is of their chest.
Agreed. Spotted at least one
Agreed. Spotted at least one post lately that makes me want to say "Cool story bro, but /b/ is over there".
Abstinence makes The Church grow fondlers.
makes sense
I've recently removed my cock from my profile picture in reaction to this thread. Honestly used it originally b/c it seems what people did. Agreed that the art gallery and forums are two completely different components of the site.
I was taken aback on some of the comments myself in the art gallery. I enjoy seeing the beauty of the genitals and have kept my comments in line with that.
http://dodsonandross.com/art/here-my-cockhere-my-art
I may have just had a cocktail
And it has inspired to me to share what I hope is (mostly) a mild rant about censorship.
I consider myself a feminist. I consider a lot of the comments made by men and even women on this site to be "distasteful' or taking it too far. But I get scared any time I hear mention of rules. To me, rules equal censorship. And I would really hate for people to start getting censored on this site, because the freedom of speech here is part of what makes it so great!
When it comes to sexuality, I feel like this is a very slippery slope indeed. There are certain things that we have all agreed upon as a society that are not OK: Rape, child molestation and abuse, bestiality, etc. I agree that all of these things are not OK, because personally I draw the line at sexual abuse of an unwilling or innocent participant. But what about those things that have only recently become grayer areas of human sexuality? Homosexuality, birth control and women's reproductive rights? When you start to censor someone's rape fantasy, when do you start to censor someone's lesbian or condom fantasy?
I know what you're saying "those are too entirely different things!" but you have to remember, to some people gay sex is just as bad as having sex with a child.
I trust Betty and Carlin to make fair judgements and rules about the content of this site. But I just can't help but cringe at the mention of rules in the first place. Plus, how are we to know that these "perverts" aren't getting the exact outlet that they need through this site that stops them from doing something harmful to others? I've heard that theory before... don't know if I buy into it, but it is a thought.
And with that, I leave you with my 2 cents.
I don't think censorship's the issue
carlisleorama, I empathize w/ being scared of censorship. I agree that it's a slippery slope.
I may have misunderstood some of the posts in this thread, but I got the feeling it was more about making comments appropriate and on topic. As a ridiculous analogy, if you're taking a culinary class, and someone keeps mentioning the great culinary skills at McDonalds... well, you get my drift. There's certainly a times perhaps for more explicit comments, but I don't know that would apply to everywhere on this site, just because it's sexual in nature.
http://dodsonandross.com/art/here-my-cockhere-my-art
I see it less as censorship
I see it less as censorship and more about enforcing a code of behaviour. If a person puts forth an idea, belief or argument that is disagreeable, and you have it deleted/removed, that's censorship. But a person who is merely being crude and offensive is behaving inappropriately and I have no problem with the idea of telling such a person to leave.
To demonstrate my point... It's the difference between
"I believe that women should retain their role as homemakers because biologically we evolved along the lines of men going out to hunt for or gather food and other necessities, while women stayed home to take care of the children. While the modern age has removed the need for physical prowess to care for our young, I feel we should play to our inherent strengths."
As compared to... "Go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwhich."
(To head off any potential ranting/flaming, that's not my actual opinion, I was just trying to make an example.)
Abstinence makes The Church grow fondlers.
My Opinion
I agree there should be some rules on here. I've gone into the Gallery Section and have viewed some of the comments. Some comments are good there are a few that are too much. I don't know how many girls want to read replies to the Uploaded Pussy Pictures of guys jerking off while viewing pictures of pussy. It's fine to do it. But to post that you are "sitting here looking at your picture of your beautiful pussy jerking off". No some of us don't want to read about that.
There is a fine line here and I feel some of the guys on here are here for the wrong reasons.
Just my opinion.
Betty and I had that exact
Betty and I had that exact conversation this morning. Now that the site is almost 1 year old it's time to set up policies and procedures based upon the interactions/complaints/shortcomings/successes that we've had here engaging with you.
We want this to be a place for discourse where everyone can share their opinion and their sexuality without fear of condemnation or a bad pass ;)
"most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong" Ted Nelson
Maybe Betty & Carlin can write up some rules
IMHO every time when we are dealing with delicate subjects such as sexuality we should establish some rules first. And stick to them.
There should be areas for being naughty and flirty and those for serious discussion. I propose that the communities be Work Safe. Any Not Work Safe pics/vids can be put in a form of links with appropriate warnings.
Genital art gallery is well guarded - you have to click two times before you get there. Plenty of warning for those that are not ready/in the mood to watch NWS stuff.
But as tom.penry said avatars are generally of the mature variety. I think it should be regulated.
Guys[And gals] have NOT behaved
Miss Moonlight has a case here. The "Genital Art Gallery" is the place for genital picture sharing. Too many of us have uploaded genital pictures to the forum, replys and comments. While the site is not sexist, it is a place for serious interchange of ideas. We need to respect the site and use the different components appropriately. Many members of the community allow a private email response as well as an open reply. Lets consider our choices before we respond to a post.
I won't consider this a
I won't consider this a farewell. I will continue to delete any obscene post. This is a community FOR WOMEN and you must always feel comfortable. If there's any way that I've been remiss, please let me know.
"most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong" Ted Nelson
Hullo Again
Carlin's comforting words (she's wonderful) have made me decide to stay around. xxx