Betty Dodson with Carlin Ross
Better Orgasms. Better World.
When I drew naked ladies in an art class I discovered that there are a very specific and subtle set of curves that represent a female form. If you haven't got those curves the drawing will look like a man with boobs and wide hips, If you get them right you can draw narrow hips and no breasts (and there are women who have those bodily features) and the drawing will still look like a woman. these subtle forms can be designed into rather beautiful objects without people really realising where their brain is referencing the notions of beauty.
To me the subliminal distinctiveness of female lines and curves, well known in art and design but not in science seems like a more plausible cause for the results.
I think leaving someones character intact in a photo is way sexier too. With these experiments there is just guess work and interpretation. but that these results prove that the women are seen as objects is a leap of faith in that notion. In advertising and graphic design it's well known that images in sequence produce very complex responses that change according to exactly what image is seen with very minor changes producing very different results. It would be quite easy for them to present the image sequence online with the results and would enable everyone to understand their work better, and contribute to it's interpretation too. .
Liandra,
You're so right. Making women blemishless removes their humanity. They look like dolls...objects. I say let's bring back imperfections, dimples, cellulite, and real flesh.
Hi,
interesting topic. For the record, I'm 67 years old, married for 43 years and have been a masturbation tragic since I was 12 years old. In that time I reckon I've masturbated and ejaculated around 16,000 times which would produce enough semen to fill 2 bathtubs (160 litres).
I still masturbate regularly and while my ejaculation is more ooze than spurt these days and my volume is less, I still enjoy a wonderful personal sex life.
Cheers
Lawesy
One of the hugest turn-ons for me. Big clits and ample labia. As a devoted life-long cunnilinguist, there is nothing finer.
My wife, on the other hand has no traces of inner labia, and a small clit, but that doesn't stop me from giving her the best oral I can, and she loves it.
I remember a one-nighter, years ago, with a woman who had a really big clit. It was sheer joy for me to lick and suck it.
Keep on self-loving, and hopefully there is a partner for you that can truly adore and appreciate what you've got.
Tim in Idaho
... bring the humanity back to sexy images of women. It's easy to see a woman as an object because air-brushed images of women don't look like women actually look.
I bet if they did that experiment with untampered photos of women of all body shapes in sexy poses and underwear they would no longer be seen as objects.
Is it possible that we're just used to seeing women in sexualized poses in a greater variety of directions and positions? It's an interesting study, but I don't think it's remotely conclusive, nor detailed enough to actually draw the conclusions it seems to.
It is true that having sex only out of a sense of obligation is not acceptable for either partner. But if she/he is doing it just as an obligation, they have already lost any interest they have in sex. It's not killing their sex interest. It was already gone. So the question is why have they lost the interest? And I agree that no one should be obligated to have sex. But conversely, is it OK for me to denied sex because my spouse doesn't want to have sex? That is what is expected. It is a real dilemma. And this applies equally to men who have no interest in sex, too. It's not only women who lose interest in sex.
Hmm... I see some questions about the value of this study, and any "deep problems" it may point to.
1) Would *non-sexual* images of female bodies be just as recognizable? How about images of women deemed unnatractive by the viewer? "Attractive" female body is pretty much a part of the scenery in our culture... Not so much the male one. It would be natural to be more familiar with them and therefore react quicker and more accurately. The fact that women in the study also recognized female bodies faster might be pointing to this as a simple explanation.
2) Did anyone try *nude* images? Male body can be pretty non-descript except for that one instantly recognizable part :-). Basically, the hourglass shape and/or that bikini triangle of a female body is a dead giveaway. Partially clothed male bodies can look like pretty much anything, from a sexy male to a female with little curves, to a child.
3) Is there a difference based on sexual orientation? This might help determine the role of sexual impulse itself in any objetification noted. (Don't know about you, but I know plenty of heterosexual women who fantasize about men to get off - at the time very much as simple objects for their pleasure, not as complex, breathing human beings...)
4) Even if it's true that this clearly points to objectification of *sexual images of women*, does this translate to objectification of actual, real, live women? "Devil made me do it" defenses aside, most people are pretty good at separating fantasy from reality.
I'm thinking that this study would be a great starting point to some more in-depth work; not the sign that the sky is falling on our porn-addled heads...
Foremost I think a lot of husbands don't take equal responsebility for the household, relationship management and family, which leavs the woman with a shitload of chores and resentment. Not only does it kill the libido, but who would want to have sex with a husband who's inconciderate? Like in EB's post, it's "just another chore".
Jack Morin's equation stated:
Attraction + obstacles = excitement
Sounds kinda familiar.
Hi jake,
Yes, our culture totally devalues female desire. According to the research I have read, so many women comply with unwanted sex. It's consensual but they just do it to keep their partners happy -- as an obligation. In my experience, that totally killls whatever sex interest a woman may have.
I do think that monogamy works fine for some people. Certainly not everyone, but I personally don't think open relationships work any more than monagmous ones. It depends on the people involved and what is more important to them - variety or security. Everyone has to make their mind up about that themselves. I think when you get two people together with wildly different sexual drives and styles, it doesn't work at all -- and that's when monogamy's limits are most obvious.
I also think that the "romance novel" veiw of sex really trips a lot of women up. I think some women are so socialized to romanticize sex that the only time they get horny is in beginning of a relationship when all those romance hormones are raging. When things quieten down (and they inevitably will), their interest in sex goes out the window. And the guy the wonders what the hell happened and assumes it's a bait and switch. When really, I don't that's happening at all. She wasn't playing games, she really has lost interest.
I also love to masturbate and do it almost every day. You are lucky to have a wife that is open minded. I have recently discovered that I love to watch videos of men masturbating although I consider myself mostly heterosexual. Another big turn on for me is to watch cuckold films where the female partner forces the cuck to masturbate and perform oral sex on her partner. By and large, I love to watch others masturbating while I am masturbating and hope that I will fulfill my fantasy of a male/female group masturbation session one of these days.
I also love to masturbate and do it almost every day. You are lucky to have a wife that is open minded. I have recently discovered that I love to watch videos of men masturbating although I consider myself mostly heterosexual. Another big turn on for me is to watch cuckold films where the female partner forces the cuck to masturbate and perform oral sex on her partner. By and large, I love to watch others masturbating while I am masturbating and hope that I will fulfill my fantasy of a male/female group masturbation session one of these days.
Institutionalization -- Who Wants to Live in an Institution Anyway?
This is what I have called the boredom factor resulting from having no variety in sexual partners. I think it happens to most people. It has with me. That’s why I don’t think that lifetime monogamy is really very practical for most people. It has clearly been a problem with my wife. And she pretty much told me it is boredom with me without even realizing it. We were having periodic discussions about why she didn’t ever want to have sex, and she didn’t know. But then she watched a movie with Hugh Grant and told me that she was getting aroused when watching him in the movie. Her purpose for telling me this was to assure me that she was still capable of arousal. But what it told me that she can still be sexually aroused, but not with me. She needs some variety, like we all do.
If you’re going to be in a monogamous relationship, then I think that it is somewhat of an obligation. My wife has had no interest in sex for years. But she did make the effort to have sex with me 2 or 3 times a year. Although she says it is not, I am sure that it is a sense o obligation. The rare times that we did have sex, she just laid there obviously uninterested. And that is not a lot of pleasure for me.
This is certainly not just a problem for women. I have tried to suggest to my wife different. For a few years, she would try some. But she was generally not too interested in trying things different. No experimenting. And as she became less and less interested in sex, we got into a 15-minute routine and she was done. Same sequence every time. Unless she has an interest in improving our sex life, she will not be open to such suggestions.
And since she is not at all interested in sex, she is not open anymore to trying new things. By contrast, my girlfriend and I have decided to keep trying new things. We find that we are learning new things that give us great pleasure. I don’t know what it will be like having had sex together for many years, like with my wife. But I hope that our openness and trying new things will keep it fresh and exciting. Of course, with my girlfriend, there is the added excitement that results from the forbiddenness of what we are doing that I can’t have with my wife.
Sex being a part of to “to do” list is an indication of boredom. It should be an escape from the pressures of everyday life, not another thing on the list. But my wife has told me that it is just another chore to her. And it was at the bottom of her list, and she rarely got that far down the list.
I have decided that no one should be obligated to have sex. So for that reason, and because I had finally tired of almost 100% rejection, I have stopped asking my wife for sex. I will freely admit that having a wonderful, loving, sexual girlfriend makes it possible for me to do that. If my wife were my only possible sexual outlet, I would probably still be willing to put up with the 99% rejection. And I may not be so easily able to see that she shouldn’t have to have sex if she doesn’t want to, because I should not be completely denied sex, when it is so important to me. It’s a real dilemma when neither should be forcefully subjected to what they don’t want. It’s actually easier for her to not have sex.
She just says no. It's difficult when you can’t have sex. The truly unfair part of all of this is that she gets what she wants as part of the marriage. But she does not feel as though it is appropriate for me to get sex elsewhere, and that I should just live with being denied sex.
Can masturbate to orgasm on their own, partner sex is play. I think it's their sexual imagination that's dulled. The brain is where orgasms come from.
If he's not turned on much by her desire for him, then sex becomes all about his desire for her and the granting of her permission for sex rather than her instigating. We kind of get pushed into that mindset by our culture devaluing female desire and placing women as the desired. In fact this is total brainwashing because women want sex and their sexual desire is gradually shamed and shut down.
When you post that video, please resend me my log in. Just wow
I think that the reason why "facials" are popular in porn is the idea that women like his seman so much that they wouldn't mind being covered in it. The idea is not "I think less of you" but rather "you like my seman so much that you just want it on you"
Now, obviously that isn't a fetish that most women have. And no man should do it to a woman who doesn't want it done. But I don't think it is fair to say that it is a humiliation tool (though I can understand how people might see it that way) when in reality I think that guys like it because it is a symbol of the women's attraction to them. I don't always find it attractive, and sometimes find it a turn off, but I don't find it automatically disrespectful to a woman unless you do it to someone who doesn't want to, but that is true for all sex acts.
The same argument applies to everything, masturbation, sex, pornography... etc etc
Yet another delightful coincidence. Yesterday I filmed myself masturbating with my period for www.LiandraDahl.com. I emptied my menstrual cup during the shoot so there was lots of blood too... soaked the sheets and covered my hand in blood and then I licked it off my hand.
I love fucking a woman when she's bleeding also, it's insanely intimate to be smothered in another woman's blood.
http://liandradahl.com/blog/?p=422
Absolutely love this! I'd been looking for some real, honest, lesbian artwork. Usually, I can't find anything but de Lempicka's... but here I found Betty Dodson... as a student of both art and sexuality studies, I'd love to make a living like she has here! What outstanding work!
The right to abortion applies if you have a uterus, but for all of us if we want, the way we look can be a hugely enjoyable art form full of diversity and creativity.
I am 24 years old and for several years thought that I was simply incapable of achieving orgasm. Around the age of twenty, I finally was able to achieve all of the physical effects of orgasm, and still can, but have never felt it in my head, if that makes sense. I feel the build up, I sometimes tease myself to draw out the pleasure longer, and eventually I feel my vaginal muscles contract and spasm over and over. But it doesn't feel any different or better than anything else. I enjoy masturbating and I enjoy sex, but I always feel like I am somehow missing a crucial part of the orgasm experience.
Quite boring, CAnnot see face to Carlin so things looks like simulated orgasm. CAmera work sucks. Waste of money.