Betty Dodson with Carlin Ross
Better Orgasms. Better World.
Hi all, yes, I am still around and still busting my ass trying to get this research proposal ready for prime-time.
Recently, I came across a very interesting article on why women lose sexual interest -- even in happy relationships. Karen Sims and Marta Meana conducted a qualitative (in-depth interview based) research study on 19 married women published in The Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy.
There were three main themes that emerged from their data: 1. institutionalization of the relationship, 2. over-familiarity, 3. the problem of de-sexualization. Fancy terms, I know, but what do they mean?
For starters, Sims and Meana agree with the oft-repeated contention that relationship issues are at the heart of women's desire loss. However, not in the way that most people think. The majority of their participants were perfectly happy with their partners -- just not their sex lives. And most of the women mentioned many reasons why their libidos took a hike.
Institutionalization -- Who Wants to Live in an Institution Anyway?
The first issue that emerged was institutionalization. For many of the women, marriage itself was something of a snooze factor. Rollicking, bed-breaking premarital sex dwindled, in many cases, to Saturday morning, missionary only encounters hurriedly sandwiched in between Junior's soccer game and Fluffy's deworming. One of the saddest truths about human sexuality is that what is often great for your emotional life (comfort, security, intimacy etc.) may not do your sex life any favors. Many of the women were simply bored by the routine of ever-available (and often unwanted) marital nookie. It was too sanitized and too socially sanctioned. One woman said:
"There was a lot of desire when I was dating, excitement. On the flip side, when you’re married, I know exactly how my husband is going to touch me, I know how much he loves me and I’m not embarrassed to take my clothes off. There’s a comfort there that is important to me.
It’s just not as exciting . . . the desire is lost. You go from being real careful around each other and being on your best behavior. Then, of course, you start to get comfortable with one another and that changes—your bad habits come out, your bad moods come out.
That takes some of the desire away whereas when you are dating, it’s just so sexual and so amazing and so exciting . . . Desire dwindles as you become a couple."
Plus, nowadays, a happy sex life is not only considered an important part of marriage -- it's an obligation. The fact that you are expected (or even required) to make your partner sexually happy can be a daunting responsibility -- and frankly, a real buzz kill. As one sex-weary young wife put it: “I just feel like I have to keep doing it, it’s like an obligation to me right now. Like, okay, it’s been a week. I need to give him sex or he’s going to be upset . . . ”
The equating of a happy marriage with hot marital sex is a cultural trend that became popular sometime around the turn of the last century. The Industrial Revolution eliminated many of the economic underpinnings of marital stability, and the "soul-mate" marriage, based on friendship and successful shagging, was created to take its place. Given our almost 50% divorce rate, some would argue, the success of this social "experiment" is debatable.
Familiarity Breeds Contempt
The second issue that the women complained about was over-familiarity. Many of the women lamented the loss of romance from the marital bedroom. But it was the romance of early love, the pre-relationship dating days with all of their novelty, anticipation, and uncertainty that they longed for the most. You know the old saying "familiarity breeds contempt", well this is never more apparent than in the bedroom. One of the biggest buzz kills of all is doing the same thing, the same way, every time. And some men (and women as well) are like Pavlov's dog, once they learn a new trick, they repeat it -- over and over again -- ad nauseum.
Many women talked about how they could predict exactly what their honey would do next, and in what order. Kind of like their husbands had a mental checklist that they were marking off on their way to the grand finale. There is a biological reason that this would be a huge turn-off. Desire is fueled by the neurotransmitter dopamine, which rises in response to novelty and anticipation. If you know exactly what is going to happen next, your brain (and other body parts), says "why bother?".
The women were also dismayed by their husbands ability to go from watching American Idol to grabbing a boob and hoping to get some action. Though oddly that kind of spontaneous, caveman behavior might have been a real panty-soaker earlier in the relationship. According to an exasperated 33-year-old:
"One of the things we have spoken about and is really confusing to him, is things like grabbing me, touching me would really get me excited and then suddenly doing the very same things now completely turn me off. I have told him you cannot go and just grab my breasts like that anymore—It no longer turns me on—You just gotta stop."
De-sexualized Roles
This one was a no-brainer. You work a double-shift, there isn't much left for anything else. Most of the women spoke of being absolutely depleted by their to-do list. And sex didn't have a high priority on that list. Plus, many felt that there was an incompatibility between the role of "mom" and the role of "vixen". After spending all day wiping noses and counter tops, transitioning into a night-time passion puss wasn't easy to do. And some women simply didn't have the energy after working at a job and then coming home to another one. Plus, for mothers of small children, the constant tactile demands of caring for a child left them feeling "overtouched" -- on sensory overload -- and not in the mood for more skin to skin contact.
My Thoughts
I thought the article was fascinating to read. The authors brought up some interesting points regarding the nature of female desire -- one was the importance of novelty and transgression -- contrary to popular stereotype, it's not just about intimacy and safety. I have often thought that female desire, more so than male, is actually very contingent on a kind of arousing ambivalence -- a feeling of being slightly off-kilter -- but in a manageable way. As the authors pointed out, too much ambivalence and you are likely to feel too anxious, too little, and you're bored.
I think a lot of this stems from the way that women are socialized to view sex and love. I don't think that it is surprising that it is the rush of early romantic love that is such a sexual thrill. Most of us are are raised to romanticize sex. We wanted to be wanted -- often, more than anything. We fantasize that we are the object of some hot stud's desire (Fifty Shades of Grey, anyone). But, in being the object, paradoxically, we assume power. The rape fantasy is really all about being desired, it is NOT about being defeated or abused.
But there are real problems with this approach. It puts a woman in a passive position where she is not the driver of her sexuality. Often, female desire is divorced from the body and experienced in a relationship based way only. Women are not told about their anatomy, masturbate less than men, and have sex that is based on what works for men. Only 29% of women always have an orgasm during sex, in comparison to 75% of men. I couldn't help but think, while reading this article, that if more of these women found sex physically gratifying, they might not be so hung up on romance. And they might not regard sex as such a boring chore -- akin to taking out the garbage either.
What can be done to turn more women on? I don't know, but our current approach sure isn't working. Socializing women to be passive doesn't work in the long run. And the idea that life-long love means nonstop, smokin' sex is probably not realistic. Maybe if we could realize that, we wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to sex it up. If we could just lighten up about sex -- see it as adult play perhaps-- we would be better off. But, sadly, given all the heavy energy surrounding the whole issue of sexuality that is not an easy thing to do.
If both partners
Can masturbate to orgasm on their own, partner sex is play. I think it's their sexual imagination that's dulled. The brain is where orgasms come from.
If he's not turned on much by her desire for him, then sex becomes all about his desire for her and the granting of her permission for sex rather than her instigating. We kind of get pushed into that mindset by our culture devaluing female desire and placing women as the desired. In fact this is total brainwashing because women want sex and their sexual desire is gradually shamed and shut down.
Who Wants to Live
Institutionalization -- Who Wants to Live in an Institution Anyway?
This is what I have called the boredom factor resulting from having no variety in sexual partners. I think it happens to most people. It has with me. That’s why I don’t think that lifetime monogamy is really very practical for most people. It has clearly been a problem with my wife. And she pretty much told me it is boredom with me without even realizing it. We were having periodic discussions about why she didn’t ever want to have sex, and she didn’t know. But then she watched a movie with Hugh Grant and told me that she was getting aroused when watching him in the movie. Her purpose for telling me this was to assure me that she was still capable of arousal. But what it told me that she can still be sexually aroused, but not with me. She needs some variety, like we all do.
If you’re going to be in a monogamous relationship, then I think that it is somewhat of an obligation. My wife has had no interest in sex for years. But she did make the effort to have sex with me 2 or 3 times a year. Although she says it is not, I am sure that it is a sense o obligation. The rare times that we did have sex, she just laid there obviously uninterested. And that is not a lot of pleasure for me.
This is certainly not just a problem for women. I have tried to suggest to my wife different. For a few years, she would try some. But she was generally not too interested in trying things different. No experimenting. And as she became less and less interested in sex, we got into a 15-minute routine and she was done. Same sequence every time. Unless she has an interest in improving our sex life, she will not be open to such suggestions.
And since she is not at all interested in sex, she is not open anymore to trying new things. By contrast, my girlfriend and I have decided to keep trying new things. We find that we are learning new things that give us great pleasure. I don’t know what it will be like having had sex together for many years, like with my wife. But I hope that our openness and trying new things will keep it fresh and exciting. Of course, with my girlfriend, there is the added excitement that results from the forbiddenness of what we are doing that I can’t have with my wife.
Sex being a part of to “to do” list is an indication of boredom. It should be an escape from the pressures of everyday life, not another thing on the list. But my wife has told me that it is just another chore to her. And it was at the bottom of her list, and she rarely got that far down the list.
I have decided that no one should be obligated to have sex. So for that reason, and because I had finally tired of almost 100% rejection, I have stopped asking my wife for sex. I will freely admit that having a wonderful, loving, sexual girlfriend makes it possible for me to do that. If my wife were my only possible sexual outlet, I would probably still be willing to put up with the 99% rejection. And I may not be so easily able to see that she shouldn’t have to have sex if she doesn’t want to, because I should not be completely denied sex, when it is so important to me. It’s a real dilemma when neither should be forcefully subjected to what they don’t want. It’s actually easier for her to not have sex.
She just says no. It's difficult when you can’t have sex. The truly unfair part of all of this is that she gets what she wants as part of the marriage. But she does not feel as though it is appropriate for me to get sex elsewhere, and that I should just live with being denied sex.
I do think that monogamy
I do think that monogamy works fine for some people. Certainly not everyone, but I personally don't think open relationships work any more than monagmous ones. It depends on the people involved and what is more important to them - variety or security. Everyone has to make their mind up about that themselves. I think when you get two people together with wildly different sexual drives and styles, it doesn't work at all -- and that's when monogamy's limits are most obvious.
I also think that the "romance novel" veiw of sex really trips a lot of women up. I think some women are so socialized to romanticize sex that the only time they get horny is in beginning of a relationship when all those romance hormones are raging. When things quieten down (and they inevitably will), their interest in sex goes out the window. And the guy the wonders what the hell happened and assumes it's a bait and switch. When really, I don't that's happening at all. She wasn't playing games, she really has lost interest.
Hi jake, Yes, our culture
Hi jake,
Yes, our culture totally devalues female desire. According to the research I have read, so many women comply with unwanted sex. It's consensual but they just do it to keep their partners happy -- as an obligation. In my experience, that totally killls whatever sex interest a woman may have.
Reminds me of Jack Morin's "The Erotic Mind"
Jack Morin's equation stated:
Attraction + obstacles = excitement
Sounds kinda familiar.
Foremost I think a lot of
Foremost I think a lot of husbands don't take equal responsebility for the household, relationship management and family, which leavs the woman with a shitload of chores and resentment. Not only does it kill the libido, but who would want to have sex with a husband who's inconciderate? Like in EB's post, it's "just another chore".
Re: Hi jake, Yes, our culture
It is true that having sex only out of a sense of obligation is not acceptable for either partner. But if she/he is doing it just as an obligation, they have already lost any interest they have in sex. It's not killing their sex interest. It was already gone. So the question is why have they lost the interest? And I agree that no one should be obligated to have sex. But conversely, is it OK for me to denied sex because my spouse doesn't want to have sex? That is what is expected. It is a real dilemma. And this applies equally to men who have no interest in sex, too. It's not only women who lose interest in sex.
still interested
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Whats on the menu
Part of the issue is summed up in the quote from Nicole Daedone: "Women are hungry for sex, just not the sex thats on the menu". The exceptions are like you Tobysgirl, but there seem to be way too many women turned off by whats on offer.
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