Betty Dodson with Carlin Ross

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I agree that the central function of fucking is denied it's importance in our culture, but just because the religious right deny the existence of desire doesn't mean the response to that is to deny sexual intercourse has any emotional context. Even a trip to a prostitute has emotional context. What about sex that doesn't involve procreation. Sapphic sex, Gay male sex, BDSM. When we do procreate what about the parenting that is the product of procreative sex, of the years giving love to your family. or the one night stand where both partners care about the others orgasms.  Your use of the word bullshit to condemn a whole raft of views is unwise when many of your own thoughts in this post seem either ill considered or badly expressed. 

Complete Agreement from me.

Thank you for the comments. Fuck is used in the sense of "the movement of sexual energy." This has nothing to do with literal pro-creation, nor does it have to do with insert point A into slot B. If we interpret the above literally, we miss both the humor and the point, It's an observation that originally came to me after a long period of walking meditation. People were trying so hard to stay in their "heart center", and talk about love and being loved, and how they need to love thy enemy, etc.

To me, these metaphors loose touch with the fact that many times, love is not the answer. Yes, it's a very Jesus perspective, and this is a Christian nation, but it's only one perspective. Another perspective is FUCK. Not in the sense of procreation nor in the sense of penetration. Only in the sense of our underlying need to move sexual energy in whatever form that takes. What I do know is that the suppression of sexual energy will always leak out in weird ways. 

In this sense, owning our desires is profoundly empowering. Desires flow in infinitely creative ways. Desire is creative, life affirming. 

I shared this insight in the context of a workshop that teaches people how to feel incredible in their bodies and their lives. I enjoy helping people re-shape and reconsider their fixed, rigid perspectives of the world. To me, rigid ideals, even if they are as simple as "love is all you need" completely miss the point of life. Rigidity is death. Flexibility, openness, creativity, and vulnerability is life. 

Lawrence, very interesting! The philosopher Walter Kaufmann once wrote: 'Christianity is the religion that made love a sin'. I believe he was talking about the completely artificial distinction that came to be made between sexual energy and, for lack of a better term, heart-centered love. They have the same source. There's nothing un-loving about sexual energy, and there's nothing anti-sexual about non-erotic feelings of affection. They're different, but related, expressions of the same human potential. When the free flow of any of these energies is impeded, then we have serious trouble---the kind we see in headlines every day.

I think Christianity claims ownership and monopoly over all kinds of love. It doesn't take much life experience to see that it doesn't own it. I wouldn't conflate love with Christianity or any religion. We own most kinds of love ourselves.

I agree with you about Christianity claiming ownership of love. And I"ve known Christians who were indeed very sincere and loving people, although how they reconcile infinite love with eternal torture is beyond me. People in every culture tend to be judgmental about other cultures and faiths. During the war in Iraq, I remember wondering what Christianity would look like to a person who based their opinion of it only on the 'born-again' President George W. Bush---who had no problem admitting that his policies had killed tens of thousands of innocent people but went right on conducting the war in the same way anyway.

Thanks peeps. I really enjoyed this thread.