Betty Dodson with Carlin Ross
Better Orgasms. Better World.
As I said in part one and two of rough sex and objectification, rough sex most often has little to no clitoral stimulation provided by the man because it's all about his pleasure and ravishing her in totality.
However, as www.sexandsubmission.com shows in the videos there, the women get a lot of Hitachi Magic Wand action on their clit, and orgasms, provided by the men lording over their tied up bodies. It made me smile to see how they use black gaffer's tape around the wand's white handle and a black condom over the white vibrating head to make it look all serious and badass. :)
Hey! Keeping with the theater of the moment needs the right props in the right colors.
Those scenes start with the men taking what they want, doing what they want to the women, then a little later on applying the wand here and there to mix pussy pleasure with the stress/pain or give their clits all they want while fucking them, bound and helpless, till the women come hard all over the place. Sometimes several times. It's a combination of taking it all from her and focusing on her pleasure, but in a way, making her clit feel incredible is what is making their dicks hard. The essence of dominating sex is preserved. He is not restraining himself or serving primarily her pleasure. I did an even more intense scene with Olivia that I've yet to write about where I forced her to masturbate herself while I pumped her hard and fast, voraciously, not letting her stop, stop taking my cock or rubbing her big clit, till she reached orgasm. I made it harder for her too by slapping her big round ass harder than is pleasurable to knock her off track to coming, so that it became an erotic torture, which of course made her come harder by the time her body wracked from the might of the pleasure and psychological-hot fantasy.
Yes! A woman's orgasm can come into rough sex. I didn't mention this before, because it didn't happen the night we did the choking play, but her deep spot orgasm is more likely to happen because there's lots of fucking but no clit stim. I just downloaded the software for my e-books I want to write, among them my deep spot orgasm teachings and findings. It won't be long!
There can also be threesome scenes where there is one person who is administering pleasure to the woman in a servant way while another is in full ravish and doesn't care about her coming so the recipient can have both but spilt between two sources so that the energy and intention that's so hot, from each style of sex, is fully present in separate individuals and not diluted within one.
This reminds me of another time I had rough sex with my lover Tira. It came out of nowhere. It is a perfect example of a moment when you can combine giving her clit pleasure and keep in a self-serving, voracious mindset. As I said before, lecherous intent can be hot and desired by women, from men, when they're with a man they're hot for and really attracted to. I've also seen videos, more hardcore than my play, where attractive women love fucking unattractive, sleazy men because the psychological twist of the combination of repulsion from and lust for that is creepy-hot for them and very often, those men are even more voracious because they are more starved for sex and the ravishing-energy is more intense.
Anyway, Tira was on top and my lecherous energy was blazing, oggling her while she rode my hardon. Then it suddenly occurred to me to thumb her clit. Not to be nice and pleasure her, rather because it turned me on to feel her clit up, so to speak. How her hard clit felt under my thumb, how that got me off, similar energy to a man feeling women up in a crowded train. Or coming up behind her and grabbing both her breasts and squeezing at a bar or a frat party. The clitoral rubbing that happened was a little hard. More rough than she would like but mixed with pleasure. This sexual pleasure is more based in my intent and the feeling that hits her from my state of being than the physical. A few moments later, after being in that field, she had a naughty orgasm, let's call it, that jolted and ripped right though her body and pussy. No complex and deliberate clit stim, no slow then fast, no build up, no finesse. The "naughty" dominant energy i exhuded and the rough/good crude clit stim and hard deep fast fucking she took sent her into that big come.
After it was over and she came down, and I'd stopped, she said "Wow... what was that?!"
It was hot, and showed the power that energetics and psychological sex moments have. Still, I had concerns for the nature of that state of mind. I knew what it was. I consciously manufactured a darker place and played with it. I have heard of people who have become very attached to this form of erotic energy. They often aren't interested in doing other forms of sex besides this one. I'm fully aware of the destruction that could be rendered by moments when it's placed in a unethical exchange between people. My discerning question that weighs heavy on me is are there long term, subtle shifts that can happen to one's humanity if you consistently go here? Do you start pulling sleazy things on women you've just met because you are so hooked by this high that you lose concern for your own safety (getting prosecuted for sexual harassment) and more importantly for the dignity of the woman you're touching with this, non-consentually? Do men (and women) who are "sleazy" lose it to this psychological erotic drug? It never made sense to me why certain men acted the way they do that's so offensive until I realized it may be a form of addiciton that's out of control, that lets go of concern for others to feed the need. Which makes more sense in that light. I've brought this up to people in sexual communities that go to these places and the common answer is yes, sometimes people do lose it and others don't.
I'm a truthseeker and I'm unconvinced. Primarily because if you are playing with something that can make some people go to a inhumane place, then you are possibly risking yourself and others to a bit of Russian roulette. Is that ethical even with consent? Does consent make everything okay in this world? That's a hard question to answer and not violate freedom of choice. Then there's brainwashing, which when I did homework on it, has in its last phase a utilization of sexual pleasure for manipulative aims. Taking advantage of someone who was subjected to sex abuse, for example, and has a reliance on unethical erotic energy and psychology. Just because they say yes does not mean it's healthy for them. Or, if this is thrill seeking, far does thrill seeking go until it's insanity or despicable? You get the idea. I realize it's too unconfirmable a situation and too subjective to different people, to whatever extent they are truthful with the reality of this or not, to themselves or others. It definitely goes in the catagory of "You're going to have to make up your own mind on this, grasshoppah." I've gone over this with a few of my clients and it's good to air this out so that more awareness with what we pleasure ourselves and others with is more fully understood and faced full-on without flinching. I'm sure anti-sexual pleasure special interest and religious groups feel this way to the entirety of human sexual expression. I'm not so blanketed, but I am willing to consider subtleties. You know how I am with details. ;)
I myself have not returned to that energy since then. There are a ton of other erotic books in my library and I can enjoy rough, dominating sex without this vibe. What do you think, dear reader? Comment away!
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Eric, this was a great post.
Eric, this was a great post. Long time reader and first time commenter here. I think this was an especially evocative description of "the darkness" that some of us have experienced in sexual (and life) situations, and also the complexities of consent. I myself am drawn to this dark energy and I have noticed that it has led me to bring truly dangerous people and situations into my life. Experiencing too much of this energy, and these people, has sometimes caused negative effects for my mental health, career, friendships, physical health, etc. As you wrote, dark sexual energy can be strong and addictive, so I have noticed that it has to be managed in a safe way if I hope to include it in my repertoire.
I am reminded of a pornographer, "Max Hardcore," who is now in jail for obscenity. The bread and butter of his scenes is causing true physical and psychological pain and humiliation to women while staying within the technicalities of consent and the law. Unlike many pornographers who play with D/s, I believe Max's scenes show real harm and are aimed to do so. Many of these women are likely desperate, have likely been sexually abused, and are oftentimes anorexic. However, he has consent. Watching the videotaped exit interview with one actress who later accused Max of abuse ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhU0_A2XRBQ ) is some visual food-for-thought about consent issues. Here, the woman is verbally reaffirming that she consented, but her facial expressions show fear and incredulity.
What I have learned in my own life is that I can avoid most of the harms of playing with "darkness" with a few principles:
1) Choose good people, who deeply care for others and are especially capable of empathy. This is trickier than it seems - real sadists are enticing! A person must be capable of empathy, and also carefully pretending to not have it sometimes.
2) Communicate with them, so that their empathy has a chance to do its work at keeping me safe.
3) Stick to some unalienable principles of my own, the most important of which is, "Tell the truth." This simple principle has positive effects even before and after the moment of telling the truth. For example, if I know in advance that I can't lie my way out missing work, I tend to be more careful and not choose sex scenes that will leave me debilitated.
4) Practice my own empathy all the time. I think the way to retain goodness is to retain the ability to feel what others are feeling, and care about it with my actions, both in sexual and nonsexual situations.
(You asked for comments, you got 'em!)
Still not too keen on this but...
Dear Anonymous (01/30/2010 - 11:38),
You should be very proud of yourself! This is an area of sex that I am not to keen on exploring because I've only ever been able to see the inhumanity of it. And sex without humanity, respect and empathy is not sex, it's just cruelty and the one place I never want to explore in my life, but between Eric's beautiful post and your insightful comments you have opened my eyes to another side of humanity and sex. I very much appreciate this ability to be open about something that is shunned upon in society.
Zara
Very good reply, Anon. I did
Very good reply, Anon. I did get em!
Yes, the effect of it on physical health is slow-acting and subtle. Loss of energy afterward, metabolism slow-down too. Thank you for mentioning the Max Hardcore example and the youtube clip.
It occurred to me that if one's intense pleasure and power trip is derived from victimizing others, which itself requires an abandonment of concern for the other person's well-being, then empathy is counterproductive to one's happiness/thrill seeking. Vice-versa as well.
There are some who claim certain energetic black pleasures are possible in sex and energetic exchange with real sadists (assuming they can pull them off) that are not possible with those who are not sadists due to their energetic health and stability. That allegedly, twisted energetics are a pre-req to create those pleasures. You can't pretend those things. You can either do it or not. Kind of like you cant pretend to pick up a glass of water if you dont have arms. Thoughts on that? Are there erotics you had to give up on after having changed your direction? Do you miss them or do you replace them with sexforms that before you didn't want or thought were boring in the face of getting your buttons pushed like this?
Sadistic 'pleasure'
I think there are a lot of things that we consent to simply because we do not fully grasp what they are doing to our psyche. The human being is a wonderfully flexible creature, adaptable...it's a survival skill that we can learn to adapt to almost anything...so it is that whatever you feed yourself, whatever you teach yourself to become accostomer to etc...will become your norm and your necessity, whether you intend for it to be so or not.
I am most uplifted by people, by lovers with an accute sense of accountability...to themselves and to their partners. I'm fully aware of the toe curling pleasure that might come with a little naughty move..biting a lover, scratching them, a little candle wax. But I think when you NEED it to be more severe..you're getting into dangerous grounds.
Yes, deep pain can make us appreciate deep pleasure. But maybe these people need to inflict this physical or even emotional pain in order that they feel a partner in pain that they themselves have felt/are addicted to. Personally, I've been open enough in my relationships at a young age to have felt some serious emotional pain. The lessons I've learnt and the holes that have been left now enable me to approach relationships in a healthier way...and to experience the pleasure of HEALTHY love and sex...in a way that no sadistic approach could ever match...
It's the difference between having a secret that gives you naughty joy but that you always have to be paranoid about, vs. revealing the secret to realise that the release enables more pleasure than you could ever imagined. Don't be afriad of who you are once you strip away all the tings that would make you second guess yourself. There is JOY in healhty, non sadistic, selfless sex! It's only then that you can really learn to really enjoy a little naughty pleasure...because it won't own you, you own it...
24 & learning...
to 24 and learning
I think one of the best lines in your response was, "because it wont own you, you own it...."
I also liked your reminder of the adaptability of people, even to destructive and self-destructive pleasures.
How could I have missed your reply, Zara? :)
I'm just now seeing/reading this today, the 16th and you posted on the 30th. Sorry bout that. Thank you for letting us know about your eye-opening, Zara, and for your description of my "beautiful post". :)
I will add to this that my intention for this series of postings on rough sex was written to:
*Create better understandings around the dynamics of what i consider to be hot and healthy rough sex in its physical and psychological manifestations.
*Some ideas on how to create that with your partner to turn up the volume on supermasculine and in full control, consuming for his pleasure and his female partner likes it sort of intention.
*A warning that people DO go to unhealthy, destructive and self-destructive places with sexforms utilizing this kind of sexual exchange. That addictions can be formed and I believe that long term, gradual shifts in character/humanity can occur in some people as a result of these addictions. Perhaps individuals with long term and systematic abuse pasts are most suseptible to such a fate. Falling into cults and their tactics, etc. That they wallow in the pleasures and addictions of that state of being instead of working to heal. (see the psychologytoday link on abuse survivors and how their realities are rewired by that trauma)
I remember talking once to a man I admire as a dominant/submissive top, who has been in the community for going on 40 years. I asked his opinion on whether the claims that BDSM could be used as an effective therapudic remedy to abuse pasts. His position was, and I paraphrase, "BDSM is about ethical adult sex play. Not therapy. If you need therapy for terrible things that a monster did to you, then you belong in a therapist's office who is good at what they do, not a dungeon. I've seen too many people, young and older, who use BDSM's energy and dynamics to keep scratching old itches instead of curing them. Sometimes getting worse but never better. I've also seen dominants who take advantage of those individuals and even seek them out because it's a hotter psychological high for them (for various reasons.) That's fucked up, and pisses me off. It brings tremendous dishonor to a sexual exchange that I love and have spent a large portion of my life clarifying for the public."
I've also been told by people, other very experienced, long time BDSM players, who were playing when I was in kindergarten, that while there are people who are learning and taking ethical paths and teachers, "too many kids these days" are getting more and more edgy, aren't doing it with very strict controls and training, aren't going back to their elders to learn how to do this right or in some cases, don't you dare do that to someone at all. Not ever. It reminds me of how I went to Betty Dodson. To time bind and learn from a respected sex educator who came before me about female and human sexuality and pleasure.
The unethical side to BDSM (and sex) is a reality that deserves to be shown light upon. To know the facts and the varied motivations of those involved with whom you may come in contact. That in life, in my current perspective, some pleasures and thrills are a fuel and source for life and living fully in happiness and health. And, there are other pleasures and thrills that even though they feel good, are psychologically destructive to others and the self and those that do it knowingly or unknowingly get off on that. The problem has always been, to not shuttle over into politics too far, that the conservative mind shuts down all sensual possibilities to defend against a few. I believe we can no more do that than let chaos reign and say yes to everything. End of the day, with this stuff, it's going to be up to the individual, whether or not they are in places of mental health that allow them the best decision-making skills.
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